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What We Talk About-Lov

By Raymond Carver

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| Hardcover | 9780394516844

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In his second collection of stories, as in his first, Carver's characters are peripheral people--people without education, insight or prospects, people too unimaginative to even give up. Carver celebrates these men and women.

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What people talk about when they talk about Raymond Carver?

What people talk about when they talk about Raymond Carver? Well, this is a Carver-styled question, in Carver's world, people talk, but the conversation goes nowhere, the ball still rotates, the disaster still there; that's my first impression about him when I read his "talk about love" (and my only ... (continue)

What people talk about when they talk about Raymond Carver? Well, this is a Carver-styled question, in Carver's world, people talk, but the conversation goes nowhere, the ball still rotates, the disaster still there; that's my first impression about him when I read his "talk about love" (and my only reading!).
Carver's heroes and heroines, the protagonists in his novels, are all losers to some extent, plain, isolated and kind of tragical, if they don't talk, they are exactly mutes, and they talk just because they feel that something happens, or just because they feel lonely, which happens everywhere, but quite often in the dinning room, as a result the conversation takes place at the dinning table, they eat, drink and talk, just as we do in the canteen, about love, about a car accident, about anything happens in our life, but we can hardly make any difference, quite often we cannot even reach any conclusion.
As things happen, people talk, but they don't really communicate with each other, or they just cannot; father and son, man and woman, friends, are all stuck in their own routines, they come up against irregularity, try to handle it, yet never figure it out.
When people talk about Carver, they talk about minimalism and dirty realism, well, the style and the content.
Nowadays people find that his "minimalism" has something to do with his editor, but still, he wrote his pieces mainly by direct description, no metaphor, no lyricism, no dramatics, the story hides somewhere behind the words, as Anton Chekhov says, "People eat their dinner, just eat their dinner, and all the time their happiness is being established or their lives are being broken up", which sometimes also reminds me of Hou Hsiao Hsien's latest movies, "Café Lumière" et "Le Voyage du Ballon Rouge".
Actually, what Carver and Hou describe in their works are mainly the eating, and the points lie in the fact that they turn out to successfully hint us something else...which is captured by the word of "dirty realism" in Carver's case, the context of the talk, the irregularity or even disaster of the life behind the veil..
Well, dirty reality, not necessarily the dirty society, or anything grand, but just frustration or failures in life, such as the existence of a 26 or 27 years old ineligible bachelor...they talk about sex, talk about their ex'es and something the like that a gentleman won't do in their narrow dorms, yet they are still bachelors, ineligible bachelors..and hence maybe they can write their own versions of "what we talk about when we talk about love"...
And of course "talk" is just a slide of our life among many others, typical settings in Carver's novels are various non-fancy daily life pieces, never Bresson's "decisive moment", and thus it may remind you of Ernest Hemingway's "Hills Like White Elephants"..
Always there are stories, which are untold..

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I was fortunate enough to have known and studied about Raymond Carver in my creative writing class while I was at uni. He became one of my favourite writers, perhaps “less academic” writers, and I’d done some papers about some of his writings. I have most of his books, and always find it thrilled to ... (continue)

I was fortunate enough to have known and studied about Raymond Carver in my creative writing class while I was at uni. He became one of my favourite writers, perhaps “less academic” writers, and I’d done some papers about some of his writings. I have most of his books, and always find it thrilled to revisiting them.
Carver’s writing is always muted, anticlimactic, but the context of stories is tense and uneasy, in which reminding the writing of Franz Kafka. Both are tragically short lives, and always refer to minimalist writers.
In Carver’s writing, there’s a curtain of silence in his prose. His context strikes into the hearts of readers, poses a splendid room of isolated moments, and renders a complete scenario of his storytelling with his nib of feather.
"Terri and I have been together five year... The terrible thing is, but the good thing too. The saving grace, you might say, is that if something happened to one of us tomorrow... the surviving party would go out and love again, have someone else ... all of this love we're talking about, it would just be a memory. Maybe not even a memory. Am I wrong? Am I way off base?"
CARVER, Raymond. 1989. What We Talk About When We Talk About Love. New York: Vintage.
We know how we feel, how things fall apart, and what’s left in the end of the days, but we might be just caught between Terri and Mel, exhibit a variety of dysfunctions in inability to communicate, to hear, to express, to share, and to understand each other. Like Terri and Mel, trapped in the prison of their own skins.

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― rum said on Nov 3, 2007 about the Paperback edition | Add your feedback

我知道Carver是好作家，但跟他的東西就是不對盤（可是心儀Carver的蘇童的短篇小說我又喜歡，怪）……

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― GreenFire said on Jul 29, 2009 about the Paperback edition | Add your feedback

Meglio questo del tanto osannato "Cattedrale". Ma proprio non incontra il mio gusto.
Better this one than the so much praised "Cathedral", but Carver really doesn't meet my taste.

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― Sciltian said on Jun 7, 2009 about the Paperback edition | Add your feedback

Carver é um fino observador do cotidiano, do prosaico, do comum. Contos sobre casamento, divórcio, alcoolismo, desespero, falta de comunicação e afins.
Um dos meus autores favoritos. Recomendo!

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― ferbo said on May 4, 2007 about the Paperback edition | Add your feedback

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English Books
Hardcover 159 Pages
Edition: 1st ed
ISBN-10: 0394516842
ISBN-13: 9780394516844
Publisher: Knopf
Pub date: Mar 12, 1981
Also available as: Paperback
In other languages:
- 當我們討論愛情
  (繁體書)
- Wovon wir reden, wenn wir von Liebe reden
  (Deutsche Bücher)
- De qué hablamos cuando hablamos de amor
  (Libros en Español)
- Di cosa parliamo quando parliamo d'amore
  (Libri Italiani)